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Witches Wit beer, boycott and send letters of outrage for their label PDF Print E-mail
Written by EstaW   
Sunday, 17 October 2010 17:44

A beer label of all things, for a beer called Witches Wit, which shows the burning of a Witch.This is nothing short of an outrage. It shows no respect for the living, or the dead. And to use it as a market ploy for beer ? What were these people thinking ? Yes, such things happened, to our ever lasting shame, but to glorify it as a market ploy, is beyond any bounds of acceptable. ( Many updates have been added to this post )

So, as our sister Susun Weed, below asked of us, and I myself request, please let the makers of this product know, this is NOT acceptable. Not only does it glorify the murder of Witches, but downgrades and defiles all women.

This is a Censored version of the label, but I think you can easily see, it's distasteful in the extreme, and needs to be recalled off the shelves and the makers told, in no uncertain terms, that we will not stand by and see this kind of horror, perpetrated.

Modifyed verson of Witchs Wit beer label

This is it uncensored off of Google:

This is even being marketed on t-shirts: Part of the ad for this shirt is and I quote "Attend your next medieval witch burning event in style with this oh-so-flattering v-neck T-shirt. The front features the Lost Abbey Celtic cross while the back display’s our famous Witch’s Wit label." Is this revolting or what ?

"Pass it around, boycott Lost Abbey beer until they change their hateful label for the new beer Witches Wit. The label depicts a witch burning at the stake, while hundreds of anonymous men look on. Here is our censorship of the label, pass it around. If you find the label offensive, write to Lost Abbey public relations person Sage, email your outrage to This e-mail address is being protected from spambots. You need JavaScript enabled to view it and be sure to cc the director of operations This e-mail address is being protected from spambots. You need JavaScript enabled to view it - Lets flood their mailboxes, one witch at a time, together we join. Blessed be." From Susun Weed, the herbalist sister who brought this matter to our attention on Face book. I have taken the liberty to quote her here, since she states the matter so well.

I Thank you for your attention, and I hope between us all, we can force them to remove this atrocity from store shelves.

Added information:

Many who have written to the company have gotten what appears to be a canned letter, stating and I quote "I encourage you to look at all of Lost Abbey’s beers and consider them in context. Each of the Lost Abbey beers features a label which depicts a theme of Catholic excess — good and bad — on the front, and tells a moral story on the back. ...Our other beers — Devotion, Deliverance, Judgment Day, Inferno, The Angel’s Share, etc. — all have similar messages of morality. Unfortunately, the people who started this memo either didn’t bother or didn’t care to actually read the label and simply chose to fan the flames of ignorance and intolerance — which, ironically, is what the beer is actually against."

There is more, but this should give you an idea of the first responses to our outrage. This kind of arrogance, just proves that not only whoever thought up this idea and approved it likely needs to be fired, so apparently does whatever PR person made such a condescending and almost insulting reply to legitimate concerns. By the way, I have looked at all of their other labels, and most of them are pretty tame. A few that might make a few people go mmmmm ? But on this one, as the kids say " Epic Fail "

As lets get real, who reads the back of a beer bottle ? And I ask what should be the obvious question, what about the T shirts and any other marketing items that have been made with this image, is the story included with them too ? Mind you, these items are direct marking from the Lost Abby themselves. 

They have since stated in other reply letters that are more recent that " they made an ignorant mistake, and are happy to correct it. They’re...thinking of having a contest with people submitting ideas for an alternative label, and are working to get in touch with the right folks in the pagan and/or feminist communities that could help them do just that".

Which is an improvement on the first set of replies but the beer is still being marketed, and no where on their web site do they make any reference to this problem, or their intentions on correcting it. May the letters continue, until we see action, not just lip service.

Esta Weiss

Last Updated on Monday, 18 October 2010 02:01
 

Comments  

 
# Dale 2010-10-17 18:02
Thanks for this story, Esta, as well as Susun! Lets get those letters out there and swamp them! I am going to do mine right now.
 
 
# 2010-10-17 22:46
That is a misquote. Susan Weed does not update her own facebook. Like many busy people, she has a webgoblin.
 
 
# Esta Weiss 2010-10-17 23:00
@ Brianna, I fall to see the relevance of your point, as the same information, is all over the web. ( inculding the Beer makers own Face book page ).

I just happened to see Susuns first. Furthermore, As it happens, I have known and been associated with Susun Weed for many years, therefore, I would trust. almost without question, just about anything she posted. Even if I had not researched the matter for myself.

And even if, as you claim, she does have a ghost writer for her Face book, for something like this, a direct call to action, she would definitely have had to approve it.

Furthermore, since I do know Susun, this is exactly the kind of thing she would empower, for the sake of all women. As that is what she is all about, as well as, a very good herbalist.

So unless Susun herself tells me otherwise, the quote stands.
 
 
# 2010-10-19 19:51
I am not offended by this beer label. I will not boycott. I've sent an email to Sage encouraging her to make sure The Lost Abbey does not ever change this label.

I am not a beer drinker, but I will buy this beer every chance I get and serve it to my friends.

I think this boycott is stupid; I'm pretty sure none of you would've bought this beer anyway. This is a microbrew, for beer snobs. Beer snobs who actually read the label and appreciate a beer for it's taste, not it's label.

This faux outrage is so annoying, I don't even want to call myself pagan.
 
 
# Dale 2010-10-19 19:58
Thanks for sharing your opinion, Anna. I see this is pretty much the same you put on Susan's facebook page about this.
 
 
# 2010-10-19 20:35
I'm voicing my opinion on this in many places, including the Witch's Wit facebook thread.

btw, if you'd like to see some more voices of reason check out this blogs:

http://witchplease.blogspot.com/

http://nezumiko.wordpress.com/
 
 
# Dale 2010-10-19 20:40
Thanks for sharing the links to the articles on the blogs. Overall, there has been much more about the negative aspects of how this has effected the Pagan community at large versus those who feel it is not offensive.
 
 
# 2010-10-19 21:07
This shouldn't effect the pagan community at all. No one killed as a heretic in the medieval inquisitions have any relation whatsoever to the modern pagans.

some people just want to play the victim card and assume a history that isn't there's.
 
 
# 2010-10-19 21:07
theirs*
 
 
# Dale 2010-10-19 21:18
This may be true, Anna, however, Pagans are attacked quite often in the modern world, in numerous countries and still put to death over being labeled a witch. That is the outrage I feel over the graphic.
 
 
# 2010-10-19 21:31
Everyone is attacked quite often in the modern world.

You don't get to use others' suffering for your agenda. No one who is killed for being a witch is actually a witch. They are a christian, or muslim, or jewish. or atheist.

And I'm willing to bet none of them would ever wish to be associated with modern paganism. They would most likely be horrified that you people claim them.
 
 
# Dale 2010-10-19 21:38
Actually, as a news reporter, I can honestly say that some are being killed for being a witch... many healers and such, ones that do that type of work, profess to be of The Craft. Maybe I should clarify my stance on this. I am a Wiccan High Priest, and also a reporter for the news site, NewsPublic. So as a reporter and as a Wiccan (witch) and not a "heathen" who is not Pagan, according to you, have much validity in what I say and share.
 
 
# 2010-10-19 21:51
Name one please.
 
 
# Dale 2010-10-19 22:00
When I Google the simple term "Witch Killing" I find far too many to list here, lol.
 
 
# 2010-10-19 22:28
When I google witch killing, I only find victims of witch paranoia, rather than actual witches being killed for being witches.
 
 
# Dale 2010-10-19 21:56
Here again, you seem to be focused on just the beer label. Okay, you say the label focuses on "past" times, not the present. I disagree. No big deal.

However, the t-shirt focuses on the here and now, and this is from their website, talking about the present day witches.

Quote:
Attend your next medieval witch burning event in style with this oh-so-flattering v-neck T-shirt. The front features the Lost Abbey Celtic cross while the back display’s our famous Witch’s Wit label.
 
 
# 2010-10-19 22:35
So you're also protesting the Monty Python Holy Grail Ale which is "tempered over burning witches", right?

Also I would argue that medieval witch burning event implies the past, but rather than get into that I'll say I'm pretty sure they're just joking. they seem to be pretty good at mocking catholics. But I guess satire doesn't matter as well. All that matters is that the picture is icky, and you don't like it. apparently it also doesn't matter that you never have to look at this label, you still want to prevent other from seeing it.
 
 
# Dale 2010-10-19 20:43
Those blogs do not mention that latter response from Lost Abby:

Quote:
They have since stated in other reply letters that are more recent that " they made an ignorant mistake, and are happy to correct it. They’re...thinking of having a contest with people submitting ideas for an alternative label, and are working to get in touch with the right folks in the pagan and/or feminist communities that could help them do just that".
 
 
# 2010-10-19 21:04
Damn that sucks.

Now i'll have to buy the beer soon before they change it.
 
 
# Dale 2010-10-19 21:16
Lol. :) You will have a collector's item! :)
 
 
# 2010-10-19 21:25
Maybe, I don't think this microbrewery is famous enough.

Witch's Wit has been out for 2 years and y'all didn't even know it. All that missed out outrage you could've had. If only alarmist pagans could've found out sooner.

The ironic thing is the ones that should be offend, Catholics, you don't hear a peep from them.

It's a bit sad that people can force a company to change the label on a beer that they never would've bought in the first place.

Freedom of speech: 0
Pagan Victim Mentality/Faux outrage: 1.

It's just sad. Again, this is one of the reasons heathens prefer not to be called pagan.
 
 
# Dale 2010-10-19 21:33
This was a new label, Anna, not one that has been on the beer for two years.

As for the Catholics, I am sure they are not aware as of yet. If I was Catholic, you can bet I would be protesting using that path to sell beer, especially with no proceeds going to the Catholics.
 
 
# 2010-10-19 21:42
According to some beer rating websites that have been rating this beer since 2008, the label looks pretty much the same.

what makes you think this is a new label?

Why would an anti-catholic beer have proceeds going to catholics?

Maybe catholics aren't aware of it cause it's just a beer sold by a microbrewery and isn't actually a big deal.
 
 
# Esta Weiss 2010-10-19 21:52
New or old, makes no difference, its offensive and needs to go. It is not their intentions that are in question, it's the perception of it that matters.
 
 
# 2010-10-19 22:08
What about images of burning at the stake victims with the slogan "never again the burning times"? You gonna protest those too?

If the context doesn't matter then all images of medieval punishment should be talked about just as much as this little known beer.

http://media.photobucket.com/image/burning%20times/mysticalmoon_2006/Occult/BurningTimes/burning4.jpg


http://media.photobucket.com/image/burning%20times/Syndelle777/Wicca/rememberus.jpg


http://www.acidbutterfly.com/images/BurningTimescopy.jpg

http://media.photobucket.com/image/burning%20times/mysticalmoon_2006/Occult/BurningTimes/burning5.gif
 
 
# Dale 2010-10-19 22:12
Those images are not used to market a product, overall, Anna.

You know, as the owner of this site, I would suggest to you that if this is all you want to do is ramble on and on, create you a web page to do it on.

The majority of Pagans are against the label. Because of the outrage of the "majority", Lost Abby has stated they were in error and will make changes.

This will be my last comment to you on the subject.

Please do not spam the site with links.
 
 
# 2010-10-19 22:18
If the context doesn't matter, then the context doesn't matter. You can't say this beer label is offensive no matter what and then back peddle and say it's only offensive because it's selling a product.
 
 
# 2010-10-19 22:19
Also, the majority of pagans are unaware of this beer. It would be more accurate to say the majority of pagans posting about this label are offended by it.
 
 
# Esta Weiss 2010-10-19 22:14
I didn't say context, I said perception. All of those images you list, are to decry those events, and we hope to stop them from happening, in the current day, by not forgetting history, however, that is not what is happening here. As my story above states, ok so the beer has a story on the back, ok fine, does the T shirt and any other marketing items have it too ? I doubt that. I will not discuss the matter further. I have stated my thoughts, you do not agree, that is your right. But my thoughts stand.
 
 
# 2010-10-19 22:21
you said it's not their intention that matters. If the intent doesn't matter, then no images of medieval torture should be acceptable to you.
 
 
# Dale 2010-10-19 21:54
From my research, online, I find that this is a newer label.

As for an anti-Catholic company making money from the Catholic path, it would seem that monies should go to the Catholics, lol. If someone was anti-witchcraft and used me to make money, you can bet I would be on their doorstep.

I also feel that the Catholics are not aware of it as well because it is a beer sold by a microbrewery.
 
 
# 2010-10-19 22:10
http://beernews.org/tag/lost-abbey-witchs-wit/

They post a rating of Witch's Wit in August of 2008, looks like the same label to me.

What research did you use?
 
 
# Esta Weiss 2010-10-19 20:02
@ Anna, thanks for sharing your opinion, but just because you do not agree with others, doesn't make them wrong.
 
 
# 2010-10-19 20:36
Doesn't make them right either.
 
 
# 2010-10-19 22:48
Look it's been nice chatting with you. I appreciate that none of you resorted to ad hominems and you actually kept to the topic(although I found the "spam" and "ramble" comment to be a little suspect).

I'm going to leave with one last remark.

You guys are getting worked up over a beer label. It's a beer label on a bottle from an obscure microbrewery that most people have never heard of and most likely never will.

and you probably increased their sales tremendously.
 
 
# Dale 2010-10-28 21:37
It is amazing that so many people can view this story, look elsewhere online, yet argue for a company that is doing something that they even admitted to as being a mistake. Some folks will argue that night is day and day is night simply for attention. A total waste of time and energy that could be well spent in more a more productive way. :)
 
 
# Dale 2010-10-28 21:41
It would be interesting to note that as of 10:40pm on 10/28/10, the Lost Abby Site is offline! I wonder what that says about the power of pagans and Wiccans!
 
 
# 2010-10-29 07:13
This is absolutely horrendous, no matter what spiritual beliefs you hold. I wonder how large the outcry would be if this were a "Martyred Ale" with depictions of Christians being thrown to the Lions in the Roman Coliseum. What a horrible disrespect to human lives in general.
 
 
# Dale 2010-10-29 10:14
I certainly agree, Storm!
 
 
# Dale 2010-10-29 10:16
Here is some updated material on this matter from The New York Times:

Quote:
Soon after her father’s tasting trip, Ms. Eller got an e-mail from Mr. Marsaglia, a reply to one she had sent the brewery. He wrote that he was “totally in favor” of changing the label and that he and his co-workers had been “ignorantly unaware of the mistake” they had made.

In his e-mail to Ms. Eller, Mr. Marsaglia also wrote, contritely, that he and his colleagues “would really like to have some kind of contest for a great label.” Mr. Arthur said the board would meet after Halloween to determine exactly how to decide on that new label.
http://www.nytimes.com/2010/10/23/us/23witch.html?_r=2
 
 
# Dale 2010-10-29 10:25
Also noted is that the Lost Abby site is back up with a blog post about this issue on the front page, as well as a description of the label on another page. Seemingly there seems to be some disagreement between the owners on the matter at hand after reading the New York Times article and this blog post. Now the blog post is open to comment, so I went to post my comment, and before it was published the site went offline again. Go figure.

Quote:
At this time, the only decision that has been made about this label is that we have agreed (as owners) to discuss this label controversy at our meeting in November.
http://www.lostabbey.com/
 
 
# Dale 2010-10-29 12:29
Today, the 29th, Fox News has become the first major network to pick up this story.
http://www.foxnews.com/leisure/2010/10/28/beer-distributors-witchs-brew-wiccans-calling-boycott/
 
 
# Nichole 2010-10-30 12:07
I wonder how much of an outcry there would have been had the beer been called "Martyred Ale" and depicted Christians being thrown to the lions in the Roman Coliseum. This image takes a historical travesty and turns it into a cheap marketing ploy, and is absolutely tasteless.
 
 
# Dale 2010-10-30 12:12
I certainly agree with you on all you state, Nichole. It will be interesting to see how this all plays out.
 
 
# Esta Weiss 2010-11-03 13:14
Thank you all for the follow ups. It seems now that a few well known names are in the game, and of course, the NY times, they are starting to realize, that no, we will not stand idle and permit this outrage.
 

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